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France: 82% of people feel Muslims are showing no condemnation of terrorism in France

‘Stop asking me to apologise’ for jihadists, say French Muslims

by Tony TODD
France24, Latest update : 2014-09-27

As Muslims demonstrated against the “barbarism” of the Islamic State (IS) group outside the main mosque in Paris on Friday, pressure on the Muslim community to denounce Islamist militancy has been described as Islamophobic “madness”.

Friday afternoon’s demonstration follows this week’s murder of French hiker Hervé Gourdel, kidnapped in Algeria by the militant group calling themselves Jund al-Khalifa, which claims links to the IS group.

Many Muslims in France reacted spontaneously to express their disgust at the brutal killing. Online, the Twitter hashtag #NotInMyName – started by British Muslims to denounce the actions of the IS group – was taken up in France (#PasEnMonNom).

But despite the widespread anguish in France’s large Muslim community – the country’s Muslim population is estimated at upwards of five million, many of them of Algerian descent – expectations in some quarters that they should collectively criticise the extremists have caused a backlash.


On Thursday the conservative daily Le Figaro ran an editorial calling on Muslims to “take to the streets to denounce these barbarians”.

The same newspaper was blasted for “ineptitude” by its own journalists when it published an online poll asking readers if there had been “sufficient condemnation by French Muslims of the assassination of Hervé Gourdel”. Some 82 percent of respondents said there hadn’t been enough of an outcry. The poll was taken down just hours later.

“This question effectively insinuates that the entire Muslim community is somehow complicit or even complacent when it comes to terrorism,” Le Figaro’s editorial oversight committee (Société des Journalistes, SDJ) said in a statement.

‘Stop asking me to apologise’

Nourredine, a Parisian Muslim of North African descent, told FRANCE 24 on Thursday that he was horrified by Gourdel’s killing – but refused to accept any link between the murder and his religious faith.

“I will not be going to the Paris Mosque (where Friday’s demonstration is due to take place),” he said. “If I had to go, it would be as a Frenchman, horrified at the beheading of one of my compatriots, but not as a Muslim. Are Christians expected to demonstrate against the excesses of the Klu Klux Klan?”

Writing in the Nouvel Observateur weekly news magazine, researcher Moussa Bourekba begged his “colleagues, neighbours and friends to stop asking me to apologise in the name of my religion”.

“These [Islamist] men and women do not worship the God that I worship and I doubt they know him at all,” he wrote. “If the murder [of Gourdel] horrifies and upsets me, it is as a human being.”

“I don’t go around asking Catholics to apologise in the name of all Christians every time there is a paedophilia scandal,” he added. “And I would never ask Protestants to publicly condemn [Norwegian mass murderer] Anders Breivik. Just like these people, the madmen who killed Hervé Gourdel are not of my community.”

‘We are all filthy French’

Earlier this week the IS group urged its militants to “kill a disbelieving American or European – especially the spiteful and filthy French”.

On Friday a group of prominent French Muslims used Le Figaro’s website – which had called on them to “take to the streets” the day before – to respond to the militants’ call to violence in language that explicitly separated their Islamic faith from the murderous language of the IS group.

“No one can assume the right to speak in our name,” they wrote. “And to show our solidarity [with France] in the present dramatic circumstances, it is an honour for us to declare that we, too, are ‘filthy French’.”

They added that the image of French Muslims needed to change.

“Instead of being seen as jihadists or fundamentalists, we need to be viewed as ordinary citizens who want to live in our faith and within the laws of the French Republic.”

39 thoughts on “France: 82% of people feel Muslims are showing no condemnation of terrorism in France

  1. An Islamophobe responds :-

    Marcus Goyne

    I have been searching tirelessly for moderate Islam and just like a lost sock in the dryer, it was in the last place I expected it to be.
    There is no moderate Islam in the mosques or in Mecca. You won’t find it in the Quran or the Hadiths. If you want to find moderate Islam, browse the newspaper editorials after a terrorist attack or take a course on Islamic religion taught by a Unitarian Sociologist wearing fake native jewellery.
    You can’t find a moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran, but you can find it in countless network news specials, articles and books about the two homelands of their respective brands of Islam.
    You won’t find the fabled land of moderate Muslims in the east. You won’t even find it in the west. Like all myths it exists in the imagination of those who tell the stories. You won’t find a moderate Islam in the Koran, but you will find it in countless Western books about Islam.
    Moderate Islam isn’t what most Muslims believe. It’s what most liberals believe that Muslims believe.
    The new multicultural theology of the West is moderate Islam. Moderate Islam is the perfect religion for a secular age since it isn’t a religion at all.
    Take Islam, turn it inside out and you have moderate Islam. Take a Muslim who hasn’t been inside a mosque in a year, who can name the entire squad of the Australia Wallabies, but can’t name Mohammed’s companions and you have a moderate Muslim. Or more accurately, a secular Muslim.
    An early generation of Western leaders sought the affirmation of their national destinies in the divine. This generation of Western leaders seeks the affirmation of their secular liberalism in a moderate Islam.
    Even if they have to make it up.
    Without a moderate Islam the Socialist projects of Europe which depend on heavy immigration collapse. The War on Terror becomes the endless inescapable slog that the rise of ISIS has once again revealed it to be. Multiculturalism, post-nationalism, Third World Guiltism and Victimism all implode.
    Without moderate Muslims, nationalism returns, borders close and the right wins. That is what they fear.
    If there is no moderate Islam, no moderate Mohammed, no moderate Allah, then the Socialist Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has to go in the rubbish bin. The grand coalitions in which the ABC, Feminazis, LGBT activists and Islamists scream at Jews over Gaza aren’t the future; they’re the Weimar Republic on wheels.
    Moderate Islam is a difficult faith. To believe in it you have to disregard over a thousand years of recorded history, theology, demographics and just about everything that pre-dates 1965. You have to ignore the bearded men chopping off heads because they don’t represent the majority of Muslims.
    Neither does Mohammed, who did his own fair share of head chopping.
    The real Islam is a topic that non-Muslims of no faith who hold sacred only the platitudes of a post-everything society are eager to lecture on without knowing anything about it.
    Their Islam is not the religion of Mohammed, the Koran, the Hadiths, the Caliphs or its practitioners in such places as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq or Indonesia. Their Islam is a religion that does not exist, but that they fervently believe must exist because without it their way of life is as doomed as the dinosaur.
    They aren’t Muslims. They have no faith in Allah or the Quran. Instead they have faith in the goodness of an Islam that exists without resort to scriptures, theology or deity. This may seem strange to actual believers, but after all their own poor tattered scraps of Christianity or Judaism don’t bother paying too much attention to deities or scriptures except when it comes to cherry-picking quotes about tolerance.
    Is it any wonder that they treat Islam the same way?
    The true moderate Muslims are secular progressives of loosely Christian and Jewish persuasion who have invented and believe in a moderate Islam that doesn’t exist outside of their own heads. This secular Islam, which values all life, is dedicated to social justice and universal tolerance, is a counterpart of their own bastardised religions. And they are too afraid to wake up and realise that it doesn’t exist.
    When Western leaders insist that Islam has nothing to do with the latest Islamic atrocity, they are not referencing a religion practised by Muslims, but an imaginary religion that they imagine Muslims must practice because the alternative is the end of everything that they believe in.
    Their moderate Islam is light on the details, beyond standing for social justice, fighting Global Warming and supporting gay rights, because it is really multiculturalism wearing a fake beard. When a Western leader claims that the latest batch of Islamic terrorists don’t speak for Islam, he isn’t defending Muslims, he’s defending multiculturalism. He assumes that Muslims believe in multiculturalism because he does.
    Moderate Islam is just multiculturalism misspelled. Its existence is a firm article of faith for those who believe in multiculturalism.
    Dissuading a believer in moderate Muslims from his invented faith by citing the long trail of corpses or the hateful Hadiths that call for mass murder is futile because these are not the roots of his religion. He doesn’t know what a Hadith is nor does he care. As a social justice man in good standing, he attributes the violent track record of Islam to European colonialism and oppression.
    He has never read the Quran. He has read a thousand articles about how Muslims are oppressed at the airport, in Gaza, in Burma and in Norwegian cartoons. They are his new noble savages and he will not hear a word against them. Having colonised their identities in his imagination (despite the marked up copy of Edward Said’s Orientalism that he keeps by his bedside) he treats them as reflections of his ego.
    When you say that moderate Muslims don’t exist, you are calling him a bad person. When you challenge Islam, you are attacking multiculturalism and he will call you a racist, regardless of the fact that Islam is as much of a race as Communism, Nazism or the Real Madrid Supporters Club are races.
    The moderate Muslim is an invention of the liberal academic, the secular theologian, the vapid politician and his shrill idiot cousin, the political activist. Like the money in the budgets that underpin their plans and the scientific evidence for Global Warming, he does not exist.
    And it is not necessary that he should exist. It is only necessary that we have faith in his existence.
    The degraded Lefty descendants of Christians and Jews wait for a moderate Muslim messiah who will reconcile the impossibilities of their multicultural society by healing the conflicts between Islam and the West. Until then they find him, it necessary to believe, not in a divinity, but in the moderate Muslim.

    Search trop thereligionofpeace and see what ‘moderate’ Muslims are up to

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    • Fine analysis of a phenomenon hard to decipher; namely why do we see intelligent people utter things about the Moslem influx common people can’t comprehend? This long comment gives an intelligible answer to those questions.

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    • A moderate muslim messiah, a Masonic dream, will remain, in the final analysis, as much a fiction as allah and the 72 virgins. Even if one would appear as a moderate muslim, it would not hold. (Too many appear as moderate muslims to gain ground in all nations in business and education. The Machiavellian Muslims are everywhere… But once their demographic growth kicks in, the Koran firmly states Sharia Law is dominant and that all “dhimmi” second-class citizens are to pay taxes to even the moderate muslims in charge…)

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      • The fact that so called moderate Muslims perform little or no protest ,with respect to their psychopathic co- religionists, is an indication that they accept the Koranus murderous dogma thereof.
        The sacerdotal perverts who preach such violence and murder need to be annihilated within civilised countries.
        Belief in imaginary Allah is nauseating trope!

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  2. Trying to trivialize the problems with Islam cannot help. For trivial people the question “Are Christians expected to demonstrate against the excesses of the Klu Klux Klan?” just as self-evident as comparison between jihadis and Islam. But it’s a false analogy. Christianity has undergone a change unparalleled to Islam. The Koran verses stay as God given as in the year 600. Many Moslems act upon these words. The jihadis in an extreme violent way but the average Moslem sees the end goal just as clear as the extremist. Islam as the sole religion/ideology in the world; and so the word “Islam” (peace/submission) comes into universal being.

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    • The KKK is a false analogy – not because Christianity has undergone a change but because the KKK was never a Christian movement at all. Remember, Muslims falsely label all Westerners as ‘Christians’. Likewise neither Timothy McVeigh or Anders Breivik were Christians, Biblically defined, which is the only definition that counts. Apart from that, when has the KKK been a worldwide phenomenon? Pointing fingers at the actions of other faiths is a favourite tactic of Islamic apologists, known as ‘tu quoque’ (you, too). Don’t be fooled by it.

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      • Agreed. But in addition I live in a community that was subject to a demonstration by KKK some years ago. 20 or so KKK members marched. Thousands turned out to line the streets in angry protest against the KKK. Imediate Christian and Jewish response to the despicable KKK. They haven’t come back. Oh, and we put McVeigh to death.

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  3. There are 4 kinds of Muslims.
    1. Fundamentalists (example: the 2 gunmen in Charlie Hebdo attack).
    2. Moderates (the getaway driver in Charlie Hebdo attack).
    3. I-don’t-give-a-fuckists (those who are “scared” they will become persecuted as a result of Charlie Hebdo attack).
    4. Liberals (The rarest of them all, these are the ones condemning in strongest terms the Charlie Hebdo attack, and calling for imprisonment of their imam(s)).


    • It is important to remember lunatics like the Australian terrorist calls on all these groups to return to fundamentalist Islam! Too, for all these groups, the over 200 Koran commands to slay the infidel remain in the Koran.


    • hahaha!! Now that was really good! I was reading one fellow’s comments on another site: there were 2 types of muslims – radical muslims who try to kill you and the moderate muslims who hope that the radical muslims kill you.

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  4. THE PROBLEM IS Muslims in France do not feel accountable to anyone but Muslims in France. Their demographic is now so large in France they see the Koran has already allowed activation of Sharia Law. Sacre bleu! The indigenous French are merely waiting to be officially proclaimed “dhimmi” and incremental Sharia Law will start enforcing taxes on these “second-class citizens.” Which raises a vital point: Doesn’t anyone understand that allowing Muslims into their country is volunteering themselves into second-class citizenship? Will all statues in Paris soon be wearing Burkas? (A eulogizing afterthough to commemorate the deaths of the satirists.)

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    • What are they 7.5% or something like that. What about the other 92.4% of the people of France? Time to kick Mohammadan ASS out, no more building of mosques, no more no-go zones – clean them out with those 80,000 police and special forces that were activated today. Over 700 no-go muslims zones in France, I read today. I was shocked. Clean out TIME!!


    • Agreed.
      And, as a consequence of the murders at Charlie Hebdo, the political leaders in Europe are now, as I write, negotiating the terms of surrender to the muslims. Although there may have to by a few more attacks by murderous muslims before we have to adopt total servility towards these primitive, ignorant, superstitious barbarians.

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  5. If moderate Muslims are horrified by the recent actions of their fellow Muslims, why haven’t they taken to the streets alongside the other French people to demonstrate solidarity with other French citizens?

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  6. Muslims believe that the Koran is the perfect word of their god, Allah. The word of Allah cannot be wrong. It cannot be altered. It cannot be added to or subtracted from and no part of it can be denied.

    Being the word of Allah, the Koran is Islam’s primary founding document. The word of their god has precedence over everything else. There is no higher source for what Islam requires of Muslims.

    Moderate Muslims claim that Islam is a religion of peace. They say that Muslim terrorists practice a distorted version of the religion and that there is no justification in Islam for terrorist acts. But, through the Koran, Islam tells Muslims to make war in order to spread Islam. Islam tells Muslims to hate, subjugate and kill non-Muslims and to not take any of them as friends. Islam tells Muslims to exterminate the Jews. Islam tells Muslim men that they can rape their wives and female slaves. Islam says that women are inherently inferior to men and that gays and apostates are to be killed.

    Those claims by the moderates are refuted by nothing less than the Koran itself. The perfect word of their god shows that Islam is not a religion of peace, that Muslim terrorists are not following a distorted version of the religion and that there is an abundance of justification in Islam for terrorist acts.

    Muslim terrorists are often called extremists. They are not extremists. They haven’t selected a few barbaric Koran passages and discounted the far greater civilised number; they couldn’t have. The civilised passages of the Koran are few and are reduced to insignificance by the far greater number of barbaric ones.

    Those “extremists” are, in fact, genuine Muslims following the letter and spirit of the Koran, Allah’s perfect word. They are doing what Islam tells them to do. The horrors perpetrated by certain Muslim groups are extreme by civilised standards but those horrors are justified by Islam when dealing with enemies of Islam. Muslims are told by the god of Islam to hate and kill. Extremism isn’t the problem. Islam is the problem.

    Many Muslims condemn the acts of Muslim terrorists but there they stop; they don’t continue on to condemn the Koran passages which are used as justification. Instead, they pretend that the terrorists are “un-Islamic” and that there is no support in Islam for terrorist acts. They present a civilised Islamic facade to the world, a false front, a mask which hides the true nature of Islam. They play their part in non-Muslims being deceived and led to believe that Islam is a religion of peace and that the terrorists are following a distorted version of it. But Islam is not a religion of peace. The Koran tells Muslims to hate and kill. And the terrorists are not following a distorted version of the religion. The terrorists are genuine Muslims who are being true to Islam.

    If any Muslims are following a distorted version of Islam, it’s the moderates. If any Muslims have selected a few Koran passages to follow and have ignored the bulk of the book, it’s the moderates. If any Muslims are being deceitful about the content of the Koran and Islam’s goal to be the only religion world-wide and followed by everyone, it’s the moderates.

    The moderates give Islam a way into civilised countries by misrepresenting it and are a far greater threat to civilisation than the terrorists. They are knowingly aided and abetted by western politicians, the media, royalty and other traitors who call Islam a religion of peace, who say that there is nothing in Islam to justify the acts of terrorists, who won’t tell their people what Islam’s instructions to Muslims really are and who won’t take a stand to protect their people against the ever-growing problems caused by Islam.

    But don’t take anyone’s word for it.

    Know your enemy. Read the Koran.

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    • Well put. As you say, it is the terrorists which represent the real islam. We keep being told that we should ignore the terrorists views and believe the moderates’ views. No justification is ever given for us to adopt this arbitrary position. But we are perfectly entitled, and as your comment shows, perfectly rational in taking the opposite stance.
      If I might just add a refinement to your argument.
      islam is not a religion. It is a political doctrine. The so-called religious components have the same political purpose and are just as political as all the other components.

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  7. XX Are Christians expected to demonstrate against the excesses of the Klu Klux Klan?”XX

    But they DID and still DO!

    THAT is the point you appear to be missing!

    Look at the Northern Ireland peace movement against the IRA, which is ANOTHER example.

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  8. “Christians expected to demonstrate against the excesses of the Klu Klux Klan?”

    But christians did demonstrate against the excesses of the KKK, no request was needed. Did this guy ever read a history book or newspaper?

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  10. As Muslims demonstrated against the “barbarism” of the Islamic State (IS) group outside the main mosque in Paris on Friday

    What they have never read the Quran, I.S. is following the Quran the ones complaining about barbarism are not true Muslims!

    Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-“

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  15. at least there is some debate instead of sitting around in the freezer and saying ssshh the terrorist might hear you. this ssshh is the worst threat to our open and respectful society


  16. It could be worse mate, your elected president could be muslum and replacing appointees with muslums. Have no idea why thinking is completely upside down. It is beyond stupidity.


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  19. Have been searching for a while on Google for any !! response from the Muslem community in Scotland about the murders of these souls in France.
    Havnt seen ONE.
    So dissapointed.


  20. Western elites have not read the Koran nor hadiths nor the Sira nor Sharia law nor the canonical commentaries nor Islamic history nor the fatwas regarding jihad nor the writings of the modern jihad ideologues…and yet they present themselves as experts on Islam! How can this be? Our Western liberal elites have, in short, read none of things Muslims have written and said to one another for the last 1400 years and somehow they are are more knowledgeable than the Westerners who have read those texts and studied them.

    This is truly the epitome of arrogance, wilful blindness and wishful thinking. Western liberal elites make up for a lack of Islamic scholarship with intensity of their wording and inflection and the height of their eyebrows.


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